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	Comments on: Privatization of the Deux-Montagnes Line:How to Value a Transit Line?	</title>
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		By: ant6n		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Fraser
Well, I did try to be relatively optimistic about costs. The thing is that a new tunnel would not have stations, but that&#039;s where most of the cost is for subway lines. A new Mont-Royal tunnel is not comparable to a subway line, because it doesn&#039;t have stations. I think the two German tunnels I compared to are quite reasonable, and in general the construction costs between Germany and Canada seem relatively similar.

For the surface line I did just pick the assumed cost of the REM itself. The weight standard is moot -- if we rebuilt the Deux-Montagnes line from scratch, it wouldn&#039;t be built for 22T axle weights or anything -- the 14T the REM has are fine (I guess we could go up to 16T or 18T for more future proofing...) I found some research indicating that increasing weights by double digit percentages only increases costs of bridge costs by single digit percentages, I doubt this is the main cost factor here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fraser<br />
Well, I did try to be relatively optimistic about costs. The thing is that a new tunnel would not have stations, but that&#8217;s where most of the cost is for subway lines. A new Mont-Royal tunnel is not comparable to a subway line, because it doesn&#8217;t have stations. I think the two German tunnels I compared to are quite reasonable, and in general the construction costs between Germany and Canada seem relatively similar.</p>
<p>For the surface line I did just pick the assumed cost of the REM itself. The weight standard is moot &#8212; if we rebuilt the Deux-Montagnes line from scratch, it wouldn&#8217;t be built for 22T axle weights or anything &#8212; the 14T the REM has are fine (I guess we could go up to 16T or 18T for more future proofing&#8230;) I found some research indicating that increasing weights by double digit percentages only increases costs of bridge costs by single digit percentages, I doubt this is the main cost factor here.</p>
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		By: Fraser Pollock		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just using simple values, I believe an equivalent line built from scratch to the same weight standard would cost somewhere between $3.898-$5.160 Billion. Keep in mind structural concrete has been increasing in cost 2-3 times the cost of inflation every year in North America since the 1990&#039;s and structural steel costs have always varied wildly year to year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just using simple values, I believe an equivalent line built from scratch to the same weight standard would cost somewhere between $3.898-$5.160 Billion. Keep in mind structural concrete has been increasing in cost 2-3 times the cost of inflation every year in North America since the 1990&#8217;s and structural steel costs have always varied wildly year to year.</p>
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		By: Fraser Pollock		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Any new heavy rail or main line railway capable right of way that has to be created from scratch is going to be very expensive. Working in the industry, I can tell you that, the tunnel section would cost (depending on geology and  the building techniques used) between $300-$375 million per kilometre. A double tracked surface section (not including bridges and under/over passes) would be $75-$125 million per kilometre.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any new heavy rail or main line railway capable right of way that has to be created from scratch is going to be very expensive. Working in the industry, I can tell you that, the tunnel section would cost (depending on geology and  the building techniques used) between $300-$375 million per kilometre. A double tracked surface section (not including bridges and under/over passes) would be $75-$125 million per kilometre.</p>
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