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		By: Bloke de Toronto		</title>
		<link>https://www.cat-bus.com/2016/09/le-rem-perd-le-nord/comment-page-1/#comment-5552</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bloke de Toronto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2016 03:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very good piece Anton. It&#039;s amazing to watch Montrealers eat all the pablum being served up by the CDPQ, the Mayor and other dignitaries. No one is asking why the CDPQ hasn&#039;t considered an alternative region-wide solution that they are now implementing in Toronto.  This would involve more intensive and frequent services (and perhaps even a few new stations) on the existing heavy rail corridor; and electrification where justified. It could serve the east and the long-suffering west-islanders. It could even link up Trudeau airport with a people-mover from Dorval station. The Toronto project - callled Regional Express Rail - has a benefit-cost ratio of over 3 (which is unheard of in transit circles). So why hasn&#039;t the CDPQ considered a similar solution for Montréal? Is it because their project have an even higher economic return? I doubt it. Let&#039;s see if they even do a cost-benefit analysis. Good luck to you and Watch for the pablum.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good piece Anton. It&#8217;s amazing to watch Montrealers eat all the pablum being served up by the CDPQ, the Mayor and other dignitaries. No one is asking why the CDPQ hasn&#8217;t considered an alternative region-wide solution that they are now implementing in Toronto.  This would involve more intensive and frequent services (and perhaps even a few new stations) on the existing heavy rail corridor; and electrification where justified. It could serve the east and the long-suffering west-islanders. It could even link up Trudeau airport with a people-mover from Dorval station. The Toronto project &#8211; callled Regional Express Rail &#8211; has a benefit-cost ratio of over 3 (which is unheard of in transit circles). So why hasn&#8217;t the CDPQ considered a similar solution for Montréal? Is it because their project have an even higher economic return? I doubt it. Let&#8217;s see if they even do a cost-benefit analysis. Good luck to you and Watch for the pablum.</p>
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		By: ant6n		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2016 04:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Calvin
I also believe there used to be service on that line in the 60ies or so including electrification. I once read an article about it, involving steam-heated railcars. Unfortunately I can&#039;t find it.

Overall, transit planning is seriously lacking in Montreal. Proposals are made, but they are simply not integrated into a regionally cohesive strategy. It&#039;s always a hodge-podge of disconnected lines and incompatible technologies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Calvin<br />
I also believe there used to be service on that line in the 60ies or so including electrification. I once read an article about it, involving steam-heated railcars. Unfortunately I can&#8217;t find it.</p>
<p>Overall, transit planning is seriously lacking in Montreal. Proposals are made, but they are simply not integrated into a regionally cohesive strategy. It&#8217;s always a hodge-podge of disconnected lines and incompatible technologies.</p>
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		By: Calvin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Calvin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2016 02:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[La solution que vous proposez a été étudiée sous plusieurs formes (TRRAMM, RER, métro de surface...) durant les années 70 et 80 sans qu&#039;aucun projet ne voit le jour.
À la place on a laissé disparaître les trains de banlieue avant de les faire revivre au fur et à mesure que la congestion progressait.

Les gouvernements successifs n&#039;investissent qu&#039;à contrecœur dans le transport collectif. Sinon la ligne bleue irait jusqu&#039;à Anjou depuis longtemps, les trains de banlieue seraient tous électrifiés et Toronto serait relié par TGV.

Le REM n&#039;est malheureusement pas en compétition avec d&#039;autres projets car il n&#039;y a pas d&#039;autres projets sérieusement envisagés.
Cette forme de privatisation publique est apparemment la seule chose qui motive suffisamment Québec à améliorer le transport collectif à Montréal et concrétiser des projets vieux de 30 ans (relier Brossard).

Les choses vont finir par changer car les jeunes générations sont moins portée sur l&#039;automobile que ne le sont leurs parents.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La solution que vous proposez a été étudiée sous plusieurs formes (TRRAMM, RER, métro de surface&#8230;) durant les années 70 et 80 sans qu&#8217;aucun projet ne voit le jour.<br />
À la place on a laissé disparaître les trains de banlieue avant de les faire revivre au fur et à mesure que la congestion progressait.</p>
<p>Les gouvernements successifs n&#8217;investissent qu&#8217;à contrecœur dans le transport collectif. Sinon la ligne bleue irait jusqu&#8217;à Anjou depuis longtemps, les trains de banlieue seraient tous électrifiés et Toronto serait relié par TGV.</p>
<p>Le REM n&#8217;est malheureusement pas en compétition avec d&#8217;autres projets car il n&#8217;y a pas d&#8217;autres projets sérieusement envisagés.<br />
Cette forme de privatisation publique est apparemment la seule chose qui motive suffisamment Québec à améliorer le transport collectif à Montréal et concrétiser des projets vieux de 30 ans (relier Brossard).</p>
<p>Les choses vont finir par changer car les jeunes générations sont moins portée sur l&#8217;automobile que ne le sont leurs parents.</p>
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		By: ant6n		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ant6n]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2016 05:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Marc
100% agreed. The West definitely needs better service. But the East does, too. We need to have a plan that will improve service in as many places as possible as efficiently as possible. If we start with the West, I&#039;m fine with that -- but future upgrades have to be possible in the East.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marc<br />
100% agreed. The West definitely needs better service. But the East does, too. We need to have a plan that will improve service in as many places as possible as efficiently as possible. If we start with the West, I&#8217;m fine with that &#8212; but future upgrades have to be possible in the East.</p>
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		By: Marc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2016 05:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Damn, you got a west islander convinced that the REM isn&#039;t as good as I thought! There are so many problems with this plan it&#039;s incredible! At the same time though something needs to be done for us out west, but something that doesn&#039;t completely obsolesce the Mascouche line!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, you got a west islander convinced that the REM isn&#8217;t as good as I thought! There are so many problems with this plan it&#8217;s incredible! At the same time though something needs to be done for us out west, but something that doesn&#8217;t completely obsolesce the Mascouche line!</p>
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