define('DISALLOW_FILE_EDIT', true); define('DISALLOW_FILE_MODS', true); Comments on: The STM and the illusion of participation https://www.cat-bus.com/2010/12/the-stm-and-the-illusion-of-participation/ Anton Dubrau's blog about maps, transit ideas and implementations Thu, 18 Sep 2014 03:27:13 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0.4 By: Rosario Tapia https://www.cat-bus.com/2010/12/the-stm-and-the-illusion-of-participation/comment-page-1/#comment-5015 Thu, 18 Sep 2014 03:27:13 +0000 http://www.cat-bus.com/?p=135#comment-5015 The double bus of STM is very Nice because it vives more espace for the passengers.

]]> By: joselito pacia https://www.cat-bus.com/2010/12/the-stm-and-the-illusion-of-participation/comment-page-1/#comment-4143 Sat, 19 Apr 2014 15:36:51 +0000 http://www.cat-bus.com/?p=135#comment-4143 the new bus shed is cool and classy. but for me it is quite too high (the ceiling)which we all know cost more of the materials they use to make. just a bit lower enough for a 7footer person could easily stand inside is better and a bit cheaper too to build. tnxs.

]]> By: Michael https://www.cat-bus.com/2010/12/the-stm-and-the-illusion-of-participation/comment-page-1/#comment-226 Wed, 06 Apr 2011 22:33:30 +0000 http://www.cat-bus.com/?p=135#comment-226 Hello,

I’m involved with the citizen’s group Montréal Ouvert. Some of us were recently talking on the Civic Access mailng list about the AMT’s new public consultation for it’s 2020 plan http://plan2020.amt.qc.ca/

We missed the one downtown (last night), but it might be a good event for you to blog in case any of your readers are interested in attending.

Hope to see you at one of our public meetings or hackfests.

]]> By: NS https://www.cat-bus.com/2010/12/the-stm-and-the-illusion-of-participation/comment-page-1/#comment-225 Wed, 06 Apr 2011 21:42:15 +0000 http://www.cat-bus.com/?p=135#comment-225 I am doing a paper on transit and I want to quote some of your thoughts from the blog so it would be greatly appreciated if you can provide me with some contact info just so I can properly credit the ideas. My email is photo1225 at gmail com

]]> By: ant6n https://www.cat-bus.com/2010/12/the-stm-and-the-illusion-of-participation/comment-page-1/#comment-222 Sun, 03 Apr 2011 04:25:02 +0000 http://www.cat-bus.com/?p=135#comment-222 According to wiki, 72km/h, 6.5%, 1.43m/s^2, 160 passengers x 9 cars per train

]]> By: BrisUrbane https://www.cat-bus.com/2010/12/the-stm-and-the-illusion-of-participation/comment-page-1/#comment-220 Sun, 03 Apr 2011 02:11:41 +0000 http://www.cat-bus.com/?p=135#comment-220 Hi catbus,

I was just wondering what the top speed/volumes of passengers or train capacity was for the Montreal rubber tyre metro was? I understand that the rubber tyres make the trains faster to stop and accelerate and also climb gradients really well.

Thanks

BrisUrbane

]]> By: emdx https://www.cat-bus.com/2010/12/the-stm-and-the-illusion-of-participation/comment-page-1/#comment-84 Thu, 09 Dec 2010 11:24:02 +0000 http://www.cat-bus.com/?p=135#comment-84 t; after all, we’re just the cattle they bounce around. Elsewhere, the STM is still the ruthless, faceless Drapeau-era juggernaut, still full of Drapeau cronies that collect their paycheque for not giving a shit about transit and drive to their houses in Mascouche or St-Bruno and ram down “expert” decisions down the throats of user with the usual “take it or leave it” attitude that is so typical of unaccountable civil servants that are so full of their self-perceived competence. After all, Drapeau conceived transit (outside of the plus beau métro du monde) as something like a charity for those who were not lucky enough to afford a car. For example, take the typical average bus line service interval. Buses will run in 9, 12, 13, 18, 21, 27 or even 42 minutes intervals, to insure that schedules will be unrememberable in order to discourage ridership amongst those who can choose between the bus and something else. Elsewhere, buses run on intervals that make it that they go past at always the same minutes past the hour (10, 12, 15, 20, 30 minutes). Likewise, bus schedules superbly ignore train schedules; witness the 208 bus line at the Sunnybrooke station, where the bus passes there within 2 minutes of the train time. And you don’t need to look at train/bus transfers; bus/bus transfers suffer also. For example, the 202/211 transfer at St-Jean/2-20 highway, late at night, often sees one bus leaving seconds before the other arrives. This is not acceptable when the next bus is 28 minutes later. Of course, if one would ask them the reason of this zanyness, the answer (if given) would be about “maximum operating efficiency” or whatnot, all without regards towards maximum efficiency in having an attractive service. Likewise, the newest buses are a catastrophe. Never before so much floor space has been visible in a bus; seating is minimal, and almost as an afterthought, and mostly designed to prevent people from looking outside by being back to the wall. All to better ensardinate the maximum number of people inside. Otherwise, those new buses are technological marvels that were perfected following extensive never-done-before research by the STM (and not the bus suppliers) on hybrid buses; the results managed to boost the efficiency of diesel-only buses by as much as 10% (mostly a smarter radiator that keeps the engine temperature in a narrower temperature range, as well as a automatically programmable transmission whose gear ratio steps change according to the street profile the bus is travelling on). This proves that there is talent at the STM, but the only thing is that this talent is at the wrong place, because the departments that would specify comfortable buses and palatable service levels (and transfers) is woefully lacking in willingness to attract people. Oddly enough, when one sees the energy the STM has put in the 747 airport bus (I mean, they have attendants at the airport to help passengers buy tickets or board the bus), one clearly sees that it has grossly misplaced priorities. Having a member of the “clique du Plateau” who doesn’t have a drivers’ license at the head of the STM is just whitewashing; the juggernaut inside does not give a shit about offering quality service; and why would they? They’ve got their paycheque coming anyways. Lastly, stunts like the useless “new”, “improved” bus shelters are quite obviously examples of departments struggling to spend all their budgets to avoid see it decreased next year…]]> There is no mistake there. The STM always has been patronizing. They are only sugar-coating under some pretense of superficial “openness” to the public. “THEY” know about transit, and we don’t; after all, we’re just the cattle they bounce around.

Elsewhere, the STM is still the ruthless, faceless Drapeau-era juggernaut, still full of Drapeau cronies that collect their paycheque for not giving a shit about transit and drive to their houses in Mascouche or St-Bruno and ram down “expert” decisions down the throats of user with the usual “take it or leave it” attitude that is so typical of unaccountable civil servants that are so full of their self-perceived competence. After all, Drapeau conceived transit (outside of the plus beau métro du monde) as something like a charity for those who were not lucky enough to afford a car.

For example, take the typical average bus line service interval. Buses will run in 9, 12, 13, 18, 21, 27 or even 42 minutes intervals, to insure that schedules will be unrememberable in order to discourage ridership amongst those who can choose between the bus and something else. Elsewhere, buses run on intervals that make it that they go past at always the same minutes past the hour (10, 12, 15, 20, 30 minutes). Likewise, bus schedules superbly ignore train schedules; witness the 208 bus line at the Sunnybrooke station, where the bus passes there within 2 minutes of the train time.

And you don’t need to look at train/bus transfers; bus/bus transfers suffer also. For example, the 202/211 transfer at St-Jean/2-20 highway, late at night, often sees one bus leaving seconds before the other arrives. This is not acceptable when the next bus is 28 minutes later.

Of course, if one would ask them the reason of this zanyness, the answer (if given) would be about “maximum operating efficiency” or whatnot, all without regards towards maximum efficiency in having an attractive service.

Likewise, the newest buses are a catastrophe. Never before so much floor space has been visible in a bus; seating is minimal, and almost as an afterthought, and mostly designed to prevent people from looking outside by being back to the wall. All to better ensardinate the maximum number of people inside. Otherwise, those new buses are technological marvels that were perfected following extensive never-done-before research by the STM (and not the bus suppliers) on hybrid buses; the results managed to boost the efficiency of diesel-only buses by as much as 10% (mostly a smarter radiator that keeps the engine temperature in a narrower temperature range, as well as a automatically programmable transmission whose gear ratio steps change according to the street profile the bus is travelling on). This proves that there is talent at the STM, but the only thing is that this talent is at the wrong place, because the departments that would specify comfortable buses and palatable service levels (and transfers) is woefully lacking in willingness to attract people.

Oddly enough, when one sees the energy the STM has put in the 747 airport bus (I mean, they have attendants at the airport to help passengers buy tickets or board the bus), one clearly sees that it has grossly misplaced priorities.

Having a member of the “clique du Plateau” who doesn’t have a drivers’ license at the head of the STM is just whitewashing; the juggernaut inside does not give a shit about offering quality service; and why would they? They’ve got their paycheque coming anyways.

Lastly, stunts like the useless “new”, “improved” bus shelters are quite obviously examples of departments struggling to spend all their budgets to avoid see it decreased next year…

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